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- November 14, 1989
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- ParaNet Information Service (Denver, CO) -- In our
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- continuing coverage of the Riddle of Area 51, here is yet another
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- installment of the KLAS-TV program being aired in Las Vegas,
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- Nevada featuring Bob Lazar, who has 'come out of the closet' so
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- to speak with information regarding government testing of UFOs.
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- Just over this ridge [showing a photo of Area 51], tucked
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- inside the test tubes of a hidden government base, the secrets of
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- the universe may be unfolding. The area is designated S-4, and
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- according to one man who claims to have worked there, S-4 harbors
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- scientific achievements that would astonish our deepest
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- thinkers. It is technology that, if it exists, could change the
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- world, but is allegedly bottled up by military minds.
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- Lazar: "It's not an overall government project. It's not
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- something that Congress appropriates money for. 2 billion is for
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- this; 15 billion for flying saucers; 8 billion for Star Wars. It
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- doesn't go like that. I don't believe that they have any
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- knowledge of it at all."
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- The technology that Bob Lazar says he saw extends far beyond
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- flying saucers. An anti-matter reactor allows the spaceships to
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- produce their own gravitational fields, he says, such a
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- technology, if real, would answer UFO skeptics who argue that
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- aliens could never visit Earth because the distances between
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- worlds are too great, even at the speed of light.
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- Lazar: "Gravity distorts time and space. Just like if you had a
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- water bed and put a bowling ball in the middle. It warps it down
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- like that -- that's exactly what happens to space. Imagining
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- that you were in a spacecraft that could exert a tremendous
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- gravitational field by itself you could sit on any particular
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- place and turn on the gravity generator and actually warp space
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- and time, and fold it. By shutting that off, you'd click back
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- and you'd be a tremendous distance from where you were but time
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- would not have even moved because you essentially shut it off. I
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- mean it is so far fetched, people....it's difficult for people to
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- grasp, and as stubborn as the scientific community is they'll
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- never buy it, but this is, in fact, that's just what happens."
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- Actually, Lazar's explanation is very close to mainstream
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- scientific thought, and can be traced directly to Einstein. The
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- difference is scientists regard it as theory only. There is much
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- that science still doesn't know.
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- Dale Etheridge (Scientist): "There are people who say that our
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- main problem with that is we don't know what gravity is. It's
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- this magical force that acts at a distance. We can describe how
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- it behaves -- that's what the law of gravity is -- it's just a
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- description of how it behaves, but it says nothing about what
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- gravity really is."
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- We'll use Etheridge as our barometer of scientific thought.
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- He says we cannot produce gravity; that there's no such thing as
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- a working anti-matter reactor, and that we have yet to figure out
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- a way to get around the speed of light. He also concedes,
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- though, such things are possible.
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- Etheridge: "Yeah. And really we don't know what's possible as
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- there could be other civilizations out there several hundred
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- years or so -- a thousand years, even a million years ahead of
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- us -- that have found a way to circumvent this. We have no way
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- of knowing for sure."
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- Lazar: "Well, the thing is when you harness gravity, you harness
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- everything. It's the missing piece in physics right now. We
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- really know very little about gravity."
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- At least that's the way it used to be. Lazar says the
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- technology to harness gravity not only exists but is being tested
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- at S-4. And, if such technology is beyond human capabilities, it
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- must have come from someplace else. It's more than conjecture,
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- he says, because he also saw an element that cannot be found on
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- the periodic chart. The element, called 115, can be stored in
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- lead casings much like this one [showing a lead circular
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- container]. Lazar says the government has 500 pounds of it, and
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- it cannot be made on earth.
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- Lazar: "It would be almost impossible; well, it is impossible to
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- synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth."
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- Interviewer: "At least right now."
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- Lazar: "I don't think that you can ever synthesize it. The
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- amount of....you essentially have to assemble it by bombarding it
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- with protons if....atom by atom, it would take an infinite amount
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- of power and an infinite amount of time. The substance has to
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- come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been
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- produced naturally.
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- And what sort of place is that?
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- Lazar: "Next to a much larger sun where there would be greater
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- mass. Maybe a binary star system -- a super-nova -- somewhere
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- where there is just a bigger release of energy to synthesize
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- these things naturally. It has to be a naturally occurring
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- element."
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- 115 is the fuel for the anti-matter reactors, he says. By
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- bombarding 115 anti-matter is produced. A kilo of anti-matter
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- could produce the energy equivalent of 46 ten-megaton hydrogen
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- bombs, and comparing the energy potential of anti-matter to, say,
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- the Hoover Dam would be like comparing planets to grains of sand.
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- 115 could also make one heck of a bomb.
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- Lazar: "We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of megatons
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- off a small piece of it. It sounds incredible, but total
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- conversion of matter to energy would release that amount of
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- power. And it isn't that difficult to take....get the energy out
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- of it. So it's not something you'd ever want to fall anyone's
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- hands."
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- The dangers associated with 115 and anti-matter may be the
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- reason Lazar was hired to work at S-4. There was an accident, he
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- says, back in April 1987. An accident that was passed off as an
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- unannounced nuclear test.
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- Lazar: "Some people got killed. I was told flat out I was one
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- of the people that were to replace these guys."
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- Is this why the government might be keeping the whole matter
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- a secret? Because of the military potential of alien technology?
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- Lazar says he believes the Soviet Union was once part of our
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- research on the flying disks, but that the U.S. kicked the
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- Soviets out after making some sort of discovery. He also
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- believes the program at S-4 is operated with funds allocated to
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- Star Wars research, but says he can't prove it. Some UFO
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- researchers suspect the government is test flying alien craft so
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- that it can one day master the technology and claim it was made
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- in the good old U.S.A., thus obscuring the possibility of alien
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- visitations.
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- Stanton T. Friedman: "I think they have the duty to inform us.
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- At least to the bare bones of what's going on. I don't want
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- technological stuff put out on the table. I mean, I worked on
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- classified projects for 15 years, and I don't think we need
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- another weapon's delivery system. But I think the government
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- does have the responsibility to release information that, indeed,
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- the planet is being visited. Probably it should be done in
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- conjunction with the Soviets."
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- Lazar: "I don't think that it will get to that level. They're
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- not going to have a fleet of them and fly them around and....I
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- don't think you need to do that. If you're looking at them from
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- a weapons point of view, you're looking at an incredibly powerful
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- device. You only need one to operate. You don't ever need to
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- come public with it. You may want to learn more about it should
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- it ever break which is....might be what they're doing. Uh...."
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- Interviewer: "They've got one...."
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- Lazar: "Oh, they've got a few. Yeah."
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- Lazar is the first to admit that his story is tough to
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- swallow. He submitted to polygraph exams that opened up
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- sensitive parts of his personal life, and fully expects to be
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- ridiculed or perhaps punished for his revelations. His desire to
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- explain what really happened at S-4 took us to Layne Keck, a
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- licensed experienced hypnotherapist who quietly and privately
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- tried to help Lazar remember details of the many briefing papers
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- he says he read.
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- Keck: "I have no clue as to what we were getting to, and he
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- started saying that there were pictures of what I thought was
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- desks on the wall. Well as it turned out, it was disks that he
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- was referring to. And, at that moment, I realized we were into
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- something that was pretty heavy."
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- Keck does not exaggerate his claims for hypnosis. He
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- regards it as a useful tool for uncovering some lost memory. He
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- says people are quite capable of lying under hypnosis, but says
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- the technique can be of help in determining truth. What's his
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- opinion of Lazar's truthfulness?
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- Keck: "It tells me that his subconscious mind believes totally
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- all of these things."
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- Lazar has long suspected that his government employers used
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- some sort of mind control technique to prevent him from
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- disclosing too much about S-4. While he says he has vivid
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- conscious memories of the saucers and other technology there were
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- other memories, that even now, remained locked, which is why he
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- sought out Keck in the first place. Keck is convinced that
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- someone really did mess with Lazar's head.
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- Keck: "Also they used primitive fear in threatening those in his
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- environment if he did bring this information forth. Also, it
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- appears that maybe there were some chemicals used."
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- Lazar: "Nah, I'm not going to change anyone's mind. That not my
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- intention. I'm just relaying the experience. The job that I
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- went through. It is a fantastic thing. It's a fantastic story.
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- I can't take people there to show them what was going on, and uh,
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- you know, I don't expect anyone to believe it."
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- What if he is right? What if aliens are here? How would
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- this change our view of the world? Our most fundamental beliefs,
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- which is religion? We'll know more on that tomorrow.
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